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Jan 18, 2010 12:22:46 GMT -5
Post by olydogo on Jan 18, 2010 12:22:46 GMT -5
People always ask me WHY I say I will NEVER make my information public---- this is why:
1. People who are always fetching for dirt on other people/breeders, those (except Angel) who are pushing it so hard lately have been KNOWN to bash the crap out of a person/breeder who has ONE or TWO poor dogs.
2. Have 1000 litters and out of those 1000 litters have ONE (1) bad puppy with an issue and that is ALL that (SOME) people will hang on to bash the chit outa the poor guy who has put more effort and sacrifice then those talking ever have and ever will.
Guess what folks---- even after many generations of testing Karolyn and Tim didn't get even close to 100% when it comes to health--- do I discredit there efforts??? at one time I did and it was a BAD mistake on my part, NOW that I know better I tip my hat off to them--- HOW EVER--- no matter how hard you try--- one will NEVER get even close to 100% not even close to 50% EVER--- Dogs are no different then Humans--- eat all the good food you want and take your vitamins and go to the DR frequently and guess what--- some will die young other will die old, some will get cancer others will get Arthritis--- no matter what you do no matter how hard your try, some dogs will live to 5 others will live to 11 or 15.
Everything in my yard has and will continue to be screened and to those interested (as Angel and Josh know) Ill allow them to review everything I have, BUT--- I will NEVER make my information public.
Birgitte and Peter are perfect examples of WHY it is NOT good practice to be to open--- there information was wide open---and they where BASHED over a few dogs, NOTHING they have worked hard for years, ALL THE GOOD didn't even come up---all people talk about is TWO dogs--- Mataco and Unico--- and WHO DID THIS??? the same folks begging for open books--- ASK THEM if they are and will EVER be so open again? I know for FACT they wont--- WHY? Do I even have to answer that?
Thats my story and I am STICKING TO IT.
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Jan 18, 2010 14:48:09 GMT -5
Post by lahistoriadogo on Jan 18, 2010 14:48:09 GMT -5
Thats why we are going to try to keep this as a productive and informative place to talk about health, and also for BRAGGING. lol. For example....I had another FULL hearing litter.
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Jan 18, 2010 17:34:18 GMT -5
Post by Elysium on Jan 18, 2010 17:34:18 GMT -5
Thats why we are going to try to keep this as a productive and informative place to talk about health, and also for BRAGGING. lol. For example....I had another FULL hearing litter. That is great.... Tiny came from an all hearing litter. I am nobody, so when I post my results it makes no difference to me who bashes my camp. I don't care. It wont make my dogs any better or worse for folks to bash me.
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Jan 19, 2010 7:32:40 GMT -5
Post by olydogo on Jan 19, 2010 7:32:40 GMT -5
Thats why we are going to try to keep this as a productive and informative place to talk about health, and also for BRAGGING. lol. For example....I had another FULL hearing litter. That is great.... Tiny came from an all hearing litter. I am nobody, so when I post my results it makes no difference to me who bashes my camp. I don't care. It wont make my dogs any better or worse for folks to bash me. I can give a rats a$$ what folks may or may not say--- you better then anyone knows this of me ---LOL--- HOW EVER the fact remains that SOME FOLKS are always digging for rubbish on other folks for no other good reason then to use it to TRASH THEM--- and so far its the same people BEGGING for open books---they have NO INTEREST in preserving a breed or nothing of the sort---their interest is to TRASH breeders--- just a few weeks a certain person was trying to dig on me through my friend Rick--- I just LOL on it and asked Rick to keep my stuff PRIVATE---ALL OF IT, GOOD or BAD--- he is good friend enough to where I trust him he will, BUT it was funny none the less, considering I know this POS person to well. I just really believe my health and that of my dogs is my very own business and of no interest to anyone UNLESS you are getting a dog from me or using one of my boys for stud or something in those lines--- I am NOBODY as well and the older I get the more secluded I become and it feels REAL GOOD to be in MY OWN BUSINESS and not have anyone in it--- By myself I celebrate my own victories and cry my own defeats (and I have had plenty of both) and that's just GREAT FOR ME, I breed FOR ME so good or bad it affects ME, I have no qualms in putting a sick dog down rather then spending thousands on something that cannot be fixed properly and I also have ZERO issues paying the piper when its worth it for the dog. I mean I have no issues speaking of my plans and the sort, just yesterday Josh and I where OPENLY talking about similar subjects, its GOOD, BUT I have LEARNED to TRUST Josh, I keep what he tells me private and he respects me the same--- WHY because we BOTH have the common interest of dogs--- I KNOW for FACT we do not agree in it all BUT RESPECT is always there to where we keep each others info PRIVATE and if we are to share any of it WE ALWAYS ASK EACH OTHER FIRST--- I am happy for this MB (Thanks Josh) I hope it stays cool and without the rubbish I am SO SICK OFF. O
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Jan 19, 2010 15:30:54 GMT -5
Post by Elysium on Jan 19, 2010 15:30:54 GMT -5
I hope you know that I think a lot of you and I a glad to have gotten to know you. You are a cool cat. Do not allow other people to take the jam out of your dough nut! You are a generous guy and a good friend. We don't always agree on things but I know you are about your business and do what you think is best for your kennel. The open books issue is a joke. They wont approve it because half the dogs would be disqualified unless people falsify results. I stir the pot hoping that one day they might at least open a data base. Not for a breeders list....for a base to look at and study in order to improve the over all dogo.
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Jan 20, 2010 7:20:27 GMT -5
Post by olydogo on Jan 20, 2010 7:20:27 GMT -5
We are good Angel---we have VERY strong opinions on the same subjects, some we share others we do not---the one thing that is shared is RESPECT.
I also hold you in high regards compadre and believe me when I tell you that NO ONE can take my jam--- LOL
O
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Jan 21, 2010 23:44:05 GMT -5
Post by ladycazadores on Jan 21, 2010 23:44:05 GMT -5
What if someone...not related to a club....put up a "database" where people could annoymously put up HEALTH TESTING info for the Dogo ONLY...for statistical purposes so we could see "how often on average" things like cancer, deafness, allergies, etc. are occurring, (course that'd require people to be HONEST, which may or may not work...lol but ya GOTTA hope people can be honest when no one knows who they ARE! right? lol) might be interesting to see...
But I think Oly is right...if people go and link results to kennels or results to persons...SOME people will use it to slam others...
Do you think something like that would be USEFUL info? or useless?
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Jan 22, 2010 9:06:09 GMT -5
Post by olydogo on Jan 22, 2010 9:06:09 GMT -5
The problem is that "anonymous" is a relative term---SOMEONE or a Group of folks will always have to know and since the events of the last few months--- I trust VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE and the list keeps getting SMALLER and SMALLER by the day.
For a Database of this kind to have any sort of effect on the breed I believe it would require the dogs/bitches to be known--- with the lack of confidentiality and so many "Agendas" and bad blood amungst us and those folks who are digging on other folks with no other intention but to trash their "enemies"--- it would be hard, end of the day most folks learn NOTHING from their dogs, NOTHING and the dogs suffer.
O
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Jan 22, 2010 14:53:50 GMT -5
Post by Elysium on Jan 22, 2010 14:53:50 GMT -5
I have settled on the idea of getting a webpage for my mutts and posting their OFA numbers.
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Jan 23, 2010 14:36:53 GMT -5
Post by ladycazadores on Jan 23, 2010 14:36:53 GMT -5
Oly, your probably right again...sigh.
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