DEAFNESS...is it more prone in males???

[ladycazadores]

was chatting with someone on fb today...and came up with something that I thought I'd bounce of ya'll...

This guy (name withheld) had a litter, all but one of the male pups were deaf or uni's...and all teh females were full hearing...

The vet states that most of the dog/pups he's tested for hearing, that end up being deaf or unilaterally deaf, are MALE...that most females tend to be full hearing...with female deafies being FAR MORE rare then the deaf males...

SO, thinking of dogs I know of that are deaf or unilat (naming no names or breeders, so that no knickers become twisted) I can think of TWO females, but I know of at least 9 males that were deaf or unilaterally deaf!

So, do you think Males are more prone to deafness then females? what kind of statistics do you have on this? (Again PLEASE NO NAMES, no breeders, just MALE and FEMALE...how many deaf/uni dogos do you KNOW OF (doesn't have to be pups you've produced, just in general how many Dogos do you know of that are/were deaf/unis, and what were their sexes?)

So for me...

2 Deaf/uni females
9 deaf/uni males

it IS interesting to me, and I'll be keeping a mental tally on this one, to see if it continues to seem like males are more prone to deafness...

[ladycazadores]

Josh, if you feel this is better moved to a different forum, please go ahead and move it...I wasn't sure where to put it. I'll go looking for it when I come back to check to see what others think.

[flightjunkie]

Can't really see the connection but that's interesting.

I had a female bull terrier who was bilateral and also had a male dogo that was unilateral.

[lahistoriadogo]

It is fine here. Could have been in health but I'll leave it. Maybe get more exposure.

I have only come across three deaf dogos that I knew for sure. 1 male deaf as a doorknob, and two females one uni/one bi.

None from me or anyone I know, but those are dogs I have personally seen face to face.

I bet if you could survey a kennel clubs records(one that requires the baer test) you could certainly get some answers.

[frank70]

It would be great if it became a requirement to Baertest before you can get FCI pedigrees for your pups. Then second, let them also place the testresults on the pedigrees of the pups.

I would not make it illegal to breed with for example unilats, but everybody will get in this case a honest answer about how the ears from the dogs on the pedigree are.

With these results on the pedigree a breeder will need to have a very good story to breed with a unilat if they want to sell the pups commercially.

A requirement for a penhip test for the hips would also be a good idea in my mind.

Wonder what you guys think.

P.s. the silence on matters like this from the big breeders, also in other breeds where I had simmilar discussions, was ear daeffening. When you touch somebodys money or pride.........

[lahistoriadogo]

I think the pedigree having the test would be great, this way its out in the open.

[frank70]

Mar 14, 2010 11:12:04 GMT -5 lahistoriadogo said:

I think the pedigree having the test would be great, this way its out in the open.

And it should be out in the open. It's no shame, it's only a shame when you don't do anything with it.

In othere breeds there are deseases that can be tested, just like with the Dogo we can do the Baer test. Then you see appear on the websites of breeders that the dog is tested! Or the phrase, " all our dogs are tested", but thats not the issue, the question is what is the outcome from that test? With the Amstaff we see this happen with attaxia. Only saying the dogs are tested means nothing. A copy of the testresults would be better, so we can see the outcome

[doguito]

Mar 14, 2010 3:07:51 GMT -5 frank70 said:

It would be great if it became a requirement to Baertest before you can get FCI pedigrees for your pups. Then second, let them also place the testresults on the pedigrees of the pups.

A requirement for a penhip test for the hips would also be a good idea in my mind.

All the requirements you mentioned were already followed in the 90s in Germany by our kennel club VDH. I still have the pedigree of the Dogo I bought at that time and it has both the bear test result of my dog and the results of all littermates listed on it.

I think its up to the kennel clubs in each FCI member country to make regulations like this for responsible breeders.