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Post by olydogo on Jan 25, 2010 11:29:58 GMT -5
So when planning a breeding what sort of research do you do? Whats on the priority list of MUST haves? and why?
When purchasing a dog/bitch for breeding purposes what research is done and what is looked for?
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Post by lahistoriadogo on Jan 25, 2010 14:54:31 GMT -5
I like to get older dogs, that have already proven themselves to be worth the investment. That's not always the easiest thing to do, and often VERY expensive.
I rarely do much research to plan a breeding, I constantly do research, day in and day out. And when my research brings me to a crossroads, I breed them. lol. I don't know if that came out the way I had it thought. My breedings are for me, so when I plan a breeding, I look at what the desired outcome is. When choosing a mate for either a dog or a bitch, I look for similarities both in type and temperament, and also lines. Priority list for me
1. Serious dog(hard on animals and people) 2. Good lines 3. Old Healthy relatives 4. TYPE TYPE TYPE 5. Prey drive 6. Pack cohesiveness
All in all, I will breed a dog if I wouldn't mind owning a clone, because there is always that possibility.
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Post by olydogo on Jan 26, 2010 10:46:00 GMT -5
1. outcross ... i want to stay away from line breeding as much as possible WHY??? if anything--- I would want as tight as possible---let me open the blood up--- Line breeding is the only way to SET type or any other virtue you are looking for--- there is no other way to do this but to breed tight--- HONEST QUESTION--- not trying to argue or be a pain or anything--- 8. shows do not impress me...people brag that they won a show but leave out that there are on 6 dogs there or dogs that win that dont even meet standard so its a joke to me...not everyone is close to drive to a show Man do I agree with you all on this one. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by olydogo on Jan 26, 2010 11:37:31 GMT -5
Understood--- I thought you where talking dogs in general, BUT you are speaking of your own dogs and breeding plan--- IT MAKES SENCE THEN.
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Post by lahistoriadogo on Jan 26, 2010 12:27:32 GMT -5
The future comes up quick. I went from having one planned breeding to about 6 or 7 in my mind just waiting for the right timing. You always have to be ahead in your mind, to be right on time in real life. My breeding plans as of right now, are surrounding one specific specimen. It was brought to my attention that this specimen is becoming more and more significant as the days go by. That really solidified my current and future plans to build my line off of his offspring. It was an invaluable asset to me, to be able to handle this dog, and see him in person. I also have had the chance to see his offspring with many different combinations.
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Post by lahistoriadogo on Jan 26, 2010 15:51:40 GMT -5
Norman, I am going to ask you, please refrain from talking about things that may cause an uproar between the different cliques in the dogo world. Especially when it is really off topic.
As for hunting "green dogs" I will post a thread in the hunting section to discuss pretty much the whole last paragraph.
Research is key, to being successful at anything. There are always going to be people that will jump into things they weren't ready for, and we should just be happy not to be in their shoes.
Oly, I read an good article on breeding once, I can't remember where, but long story short...They said that there are two ways to accomplish a TYPE in breeding dogs. Breeding tight, or breeding A LOT! So in order to get to a desired outcome within ones lifetime, you are right, you have to breed tight, but if you just want to see small strides that you can pass on to a future generation than you can certainly achieve that by a strtegic series of outcrosses.
The thing is, most times you do an outcrossing, you are doing it with two tightly bred dogs.
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Post by Elysium on Jan 26, 2010 15:52:53 GMT -5
I am looking to keep the type set by the Martinez brothers but direct my choices with selecting very "typee" hunting dogs and breeding them to relatives that have been screened for health problems. Ideally my peds will have entire papers filled with OFA numbers and a few show dog champs. God willing, I can have a group of good people to trade dogs and breed the best availble match to improve both dogs temperament, type, drive, and structure.
I would use line breeding, inbreeding, and strategic out crosses to unrelated dogs that are very inbred /line bred.
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Post by lahistoriadogo on Jan 26, 2010 16:34:42 GMT -5
Goals are a big step in the planning process.
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Post by ladycazadores on Jan 26, 2010 18:08:49 GMT -5
In a nutshell, We're looking for dogs that have excellent temperaments, high prey drive, have been hunted and proven to our liking. We want as close to perfect structure according to the brothers original standard, as possible...and when we find a fault, such as too much or too little pigmentation, we of course look for mates that would correct those issues. We have and would do again if the need were to arrise, culled dogs that we deemed unworthy of breeding or placing, regardless of where it came from. (Cull as in sterilize or pts humanely.) Each pairing we look at from a standpoint of what we hope to achieve, which is a fully functional, hunting dog that meets the breed standard...that is also a sane and predictable member of the family.
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